Absolute Virtue on Odin

[Sykes]

Since BG is hammered ...

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[Bovein]

AV is teh suck!!

[Tyler]

he stopped summoning wyverns?

[Zumi]

They got it to 87% and it benediction again. Most of their blms deleveled to 74 lol

[Scionith]

It's so funny how they're killing it. If I read right, they brought it to a wall by north Al'Taieu and they're having all their BLMs nuking from there. And it just kinda stands there and occasionally whips out Manafont and a few meteors and comets.

[Zumi]

If SE knew about that wall glitch they would probably fix it right away. Probably not how they wanted AV to be fought.

[roku]

there way of fighting messes with the vision! thos that mess with the vision will be nerfed!

[Celeblin]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13/FFXIcamdon/dragoonscantequipaccuracygear.jpg

oh god...

I would commit every type of suicide known to man, all at the same time, if I saw that.

[Tyler]

there was probabyl GMs watching, and there will probably be a patch soon to fix that

[Tatiana]

I read that thread and I cant believe some fucking ass ruined it for everyone. We finally had a chance to do something before the JPs and also FIND OUT WHAT IT FUCKING DROPS.
That guy who called a GM wins the jackass of the year award. :rolleyes:

[Zumi]

That odin one nobody called a GM on they had it for 30 hours gave up due to it using benediction several times, but more recently on an attempt on Garuda someone did call a GM on them for using the 'Wall of Justice' method. The lowest the garuda people had it was 93% after 45 min before it Benedictioned. Basically GM told them what they were doing is an exploit using the terrain to their advantage so AV couldn't meele them. That guy that called a GM on is really a dick. I doubt the GMs will fix AV. Currently nobody can figure out how to beat it due to it randomly using all the 2 hours the worst one of all Benediction. Doesn't seem to run out of 2 hours either

As for the drops these are the only items unaccounted for that were released in the AV patch. So this is the stuff he probably drops.

Ninurta's Sash LV75 Def 6 All job
Attack+6 Haste+6% Subtle Blow+6 Spell Interruption rate down 6%

Minerva's Ring
Accuracy+8 Attack+8 Evasion-8 Defense-8

Bellona's Ring
Ranged Accuracy+8 Ranged Attack+8 Evasion-8 Defense-8

Mars's Ring
Physical damage taken+8% Magic damage taken-8%

Futsuno Mitama LV75 DMG84 Delay 480 SAM
DEX+8 Store TP+8 Latent Effect: Strength+8

Aureole LV75 DMG28 Delay192 All job
Magic Accuracy+8

Raphael's Rod LV75 DMG40 Delay320
Enchantment: Reraise III
<8/8 0:30/[2:00, 0:30]>

[Zumi]

Update, AV killed on Remora, they got no drops lol

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3465/av12ko.jpg

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[Halon50]

Apparently AV uses the 2HR's of anyone who has hate on it. So don't have your WHM get hate and it won't benediction. That's the rumor so far.

[Izzy]

then how in the fuck did it call wyvern? lol

[freja]

call wyvern isnt a 2hr!! omg

[Izzy]

oh, my, god

[Scytale]

After reading through all the garbage bitching people it looks like the way they got AV to stop 2hr-ing was just to have 1 person if each job type they did NOT want it to use a 2hr for engage (not attack, just engage) while equiped with a Virtue weapon. Then they stuck it on the Wall o' crap and let the Blm have at it.

If you look at the time it took to kill it was pretty much as fast as we do Vrtra.

Get Virtue Weapons for a Whm, Rdm, Blm, engage, get on wall, nuke, over...pfft. Again another NM where there's no need what-so-ever for melee to even do anything. Who cares of AV uses Hundred Fists, Perfect Dodge, Invincible, etc if he can't even hit through that wall right?

[Scionith]

Nah, they figured out how to make the wall exploit to work. If a monster can't get to you, they give up very fast and go unclaimed, and have 0% hate. So the LS who had the problem with it spamming Benediction was because they let it wander away from the wall with 0 hate. So it would regain its MP and its 2 hours.

This LS had someone spamming Dia, because they didn't want it to move. I suspect that's how they were able to kill it. Because they spammed Dia to keep it interested, it didn't get the chance to go unclaimed long enough to regain 2 hours. So it never used Benediction.

I'm not sure if the comments about having a job with a jailer weapon engaged on AV to prevent it using 2 hours actually true or not. Unless it's completely weakened by it, it's going to be hard to kill it. Keep in mind, a number of jobs are going to be gimped. Like you'll have a Ninja with Faith Baghnakhs...

[thelegendarycravy]

Nah, they figured out how to make the wall exploit to work. If a monster can't get to you, they give up very fast and go unclaimed, and have 0% hate. So the LS who had the problem with it spamming Benediction was because they let it wander away from the wall with 0 hate. So it would regain its MP and its 2 hours.

This LS had someone spamming Dia, because they didn't want it to move. I suspect that's how they were able to kill it. Because they spammed Dia to keep it interested, it didn't get the chance to go unclaimed long enough to regain 2 hours. So it never used Benediction.

I'm not sure if the comments about having a job with a jailer weapon engaged on AV to prevent it using 2 hours actually true or not. Unless it's completely weakened by it, it's going to be hard to kill it. Keep in mind, a number of jobs are going to be gimped. Like you'll have a Ninja with Faith Baghnakhs...

its def not true

[Zumi]

If you watch their video they put up you can see people constantly spamming dia on it, while blms nuke it. AV didn't look like it was fighting back really.

[Scionith]

Yeah, that's why it's an exploit. But it's still the only way people know how to kill it at the moment. All it takes is one jerk to call a GM and one bad GM, and they'll jail people trying to use the wall tactic. So people need to figure out the way to kill it.

So if they held it at the wall, and it only used two hours once, that might just mean it'll only use its two hours once as long as it doesn't lose hate. That one LS that managed to get it to stop two houring by shadowbinding it for a while might have been onto something. Get it to stop two houring, stop summoning wynavs, and stop casting, and it's tankable.

My prediction: Next patch they'll make AV pull you in if you try to drag him to the wall.

[Lefiel]

that wall shit is such a gay way to kill AV and basically no different from any other hack/cheat/whatever in my opinion.

[Zumi]

JP killed AV and got 4 of the 7 sins to drop. Which you trade to the npc for the item.

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[Bartuc]

i bet it was an epic battle involving AV bumping into various objects and eating yogurt while scratching his ass and getting nuked

[Izzy]

lol na kill AV get nothing
JP kill and get 4 things

this game owns

[Zumi]

They still used that cheating wall that the NA people found out how to do to win. haha

[Halon50]

Goddamitaru, I need the JP version of the game so I can get that stuff to drop!



In order from top to bottom, the items were:

Mars' Ring, LV75, All Jobs, ACC+8 ATT+8 EVA-8 DEF-8

Bellona's Ring, LV75, All Jobs, R.ACC+8 R.ATT+8 EVA-8 DEF-8

Raphael's Rod (Club), LV75, All Jobs, D40 Del320, Enchantment: Reraise III

Aureole (Throwing), LV75, All Jobs, D28 Del192, MagicACC+8


All are Rare and probably not sellable on AH, but trade/bazaar ok.

EDIT: Seems like a real hassle to get items that are only meh :( But hey at least SOMEONE finally got AV to drop something!

[Bovein]

what're the stats on tose things they got?

nvm just saw halon's post<_<

[Banon]

iirc, the NA ls that killed it accidentally called for help about 1/2 way through.

[Izzy]

iirc, the NA ls that killed it accidentally called for help about 1/2 way through.

no that was the first people that discovered the justice wall they lost due to AV getting 2hrs back

[Halon50]

For the sake of completeness, the 3 items that they didn't get are:

Minerva's Ring, LV75, All Jobs, Physical dmg+8%, Magic dmg-8%

Futsuno Mitama, LV75, SAM, Dex+8 StoreTP+8 Latent effect: Str+8

Ninurta's Sash, LV75, All Jobs, Def6, Att+6 Haste+6% Subtle Blow+6 Spell Interruption rate down 6%



The last two items, of course, being the most kickass drops possible. You think maybe S-E dev team is saving the "best drops" for some favorite people or LS on certain servers? Hmmm! Time to bust out the GM bribery!

[Zumi]

This is what I think of his items which he drops

Mars' Ring, LV75, All Jobs, ACC+8 ATT+8 EVA-8 DEF-8
Pertty good ring highest accuracy ring in the game and it gives attack a well.

Bellona's Ring, LV75, All Jobs, R.ACC+8 R.ATT+8 EVA-8 DEF-8
Nice ring for rangers

Raphael's Rod (Club), LV75, All Jobs, D40 Del320, Enchantment: Reraise III
Not that great of an item.

Aureole (Throwing), LV75, All Jobs, D28 Del192, MagicACC+8
This could be good for RDM or BLM depending on how much it effects resist rates.

Minerva's Ring, LV75, All Jobs, Physical dmg+8%, Magic dmg-8%
I don't see this ring as being too good maybe for a swap in when you are getting hit by a wyrm when its flying

Futsuno Mitama, LV75, SAM, D84 Dex+8 StoreTP+8 Latent effect: Str+8
Has nice base damage but, Hagun probably gets better WS damage at 100 and 200 TP. Somewhat similar to the KS99 great katana.

Ninurta's Sash, LV75, All Jobs, Def6, Att+6 Haste+6% Subtle Blow+6 Spell Interruption rate down 6%
Really nice for Ninjas or other meeles besides mnk.

So that 4 good items and 3 so-so ones.

[Izzy]

zumi post the stuff the JP's said after JP win AV lol

[Scionith]

Mars Ring is a pretty kickass ring if you ask me. The only other ring that gives +atk directly only gives +5 attack. It's one of the best melee rings, probably better than Rajas.

Raphael's Rod has only one real purpose. Forget about the stupid RR3 charges it has on it. It's the highest damage club that all jobs can use. Thieves can do 2k damage with 100 TP (TP doesn't matter for them) True Strike with Titan's Cudgel, which is only 22 base damage. Raphael's Rod has 40 base damage, it'd be scary to see what a thief could do with it.

Aureole is probably the best ranged item for RDM and BLM. Most just use a Phantom Tathlum which is +10 MP and +2 INT. +8 Mag accuracy is much more useful.

Ninurta's Sash is freaking awesome. Dibs. Q_Q

Bellona's Ring is a good RNG ring, but nothing outstanding. They have rings with more +rng acc already that are pretty cheap. But it does give a good deal of +rng atk which isn't readily available in rings.

I agree with Zumi that the Futsuno Mitama doesn't seem all that spectacular. Then again if the latent is something like "Active during Weaponskills" then it's pimp. Otherwise it's just a high dmg great katana with a high delay.

Minerva's Ring is probably the worst drop of the bunch. Kind of sad that such a situational piece drops from such a hard HNM. Sure, you can use it when wyrms are flying, that's all fine and dandy. What pisses me off is that something like the defending ring is a billion times better, and drops from a NM that's a billion times easier. Just sad.

[jin]

bellonas ring gives the highest +rattack too, how come it's not outstanding like mars ring Q_Q

anyone would replace +8racc +8rat for +12racc (highest +racc excluding ramuh's ring >_>)

[Scionith]

Bellona's Ring does give the highest Rng Atk, but not the highest Rng Acc. Mars gives the highest attack and accuracy. That's why it rox. Q_Q

[jin]

i think you are ktd

[Twizz]

Bellona's Ring Dibs

[Halon50]

I'm a drag by personality, so really except for Ninurta's Sash, I don't see any of these as being worth the horrific endless pain of dealing with Sea Gods drops, then lottery popping off JoL just for the chance of getting it to drop. But hey that's just me! I'm in it for the challenge and the title!

EDIT: Also, any of you guys notice recently how droprates have been steadily increasing? Yesterday our gods run netted 2 cloths, 2 talons, 2 Vclaws. Spire ENM's have been dropping earrings like hotcakes. Other ENM's I've seen some incredible droprates of the rare equipment. Is this S-E's attempt at devaluing gil so RMT's need to sell more gil to make less real-life cash?

[Lefiel]

Seems like a real hassle to get items that are only meh
Aureole is far from "meh" Q_Q. its the best item to stick in the throwing slot for hnm for blm jc >_>.

[Scionith]

NA's just killed it. Got Sash, Mars Ring, and Raphael's Rod.

http://www.burningcosmossss.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=308


Can read the thread here. http://www.theorderls.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8639

It's gonna be like a billion pages of stupid though. The LS leader (Samurai) took the sash. ^^; They also gave the MAB earring from JoL to a WHM. Flame on! :sweat:

[Zumi]

That taru sam probably deserved it for being leader. It takes forever to get anything out of sea and organizing that much sea runs.

[Lefiel]

a whm got a novio :eyebrow: wtf is that shit ?

[Fatman]

Seriously as a BLM I think the Rod with reraise 3 enchantment is the best item there as long as it casts reraise on yourself and not somebody else

DIBS!

[Zumi]

a whm got a novio :eyebrow: wtf is that shit ?

I read the topic and its like their LS was a Sea only LS, it had a bunch of members from like 5 different hnmls that has events 2 times a week, kind of similar to a dynamis LS. At first my intial reaction was that its kind of dumb whm getting that earring but then I read more about their situation.

Anyway the whm had the most points which they got from attending the most events and being the most active, which let him have lot priority for that earring. Looks like a lot of people on BG was giving him a hard time about it their loot rules.

Here is another similar situation that like really acceptable by people in ffxi on many servers. Look at dynamis for example, dynamis LS that are made up of people from many ls, often have lot rules for like Shadow Mantle. The mantle gets the best use from a pld hands down but it is equipable by all jobs so often lot priority goes to people with the most runs/best attendence, or highest points get lot priority, since it would be unfair to exclude people and just give someone priority based on their job, rather then on their work/attendence in the dynamis LS, since it isn't a HNMls. So nobody complains when like the WHM wins a mantle over a pld, since he did such a good job in dynamis previously. However a HNMls that does dynamis with their LS only tend to give lot prioity to their tank jobs on the mantle, cause it is overall better for the LS.

Its really that Sea LS system and it seems to work for them and their blms didn't complain even though that BLM would get the best use out of it. People in that topic that keep bashing the whm keep overlooking the fact that it wasn't 1 HNMls. Their own members said he worked the hardest and their system worked for them.

[Fatman]

The whole purpose of those forums is to bash people and complain and whine about stuff anymore.

Hard to find good intelligent game chat there without a bunch of people calling names and stuff.

[Lefiel]

im all for rewarding folk that show up and get the job done time after time but, unless the whm is lvling blm or at least rdm, he or she isnt gonna get the full benefit of use out of that earring. with everybody lvling blm like its about to be deleted from the game or sumthing, i wouldnt be suprised if the whm is lvling blm. thats like giving this:

Ninurta's Sash, LV75, All Jobs, Def6, Att+6 Haste+6% Subtle Blow+6 Spell Interruption rate down 6%
to a drg. no disrespect to drgs i love drg, but would an entire ls be comfortable with giving this to a drg that just happend to acquire more points than say a nin ? or how about a blm gettin a sash over a nin ? cuz you could make the case that the spell interrupt would be decent(altho spell interrupt is a goddamn fucking myth cuz it nvr works when you motherfucking need it to) but all the other stats are kinda wasted. or how about these (http://ffxi.somepage.com/itemdb/7583) to a smn ? it seems equally as ludacris as the above example. but im not in the ls so it doesnt really matter to me.

[Scionith]

They gave Ninurta's sash to a Samurai, which is pretty much the same as giving it to a Dragoon. In fact, a DRG would probably have more use for the -spell interruption than a SAM. (even though that stat does indeed suck)

All that loot isn't rare/ex though, which is why it's not the hugest deal. The WHM supposedly constantly loans out the Novio earring to BLM friends. But no one within that LS should be really pissed unless they're stupid. It sounds like that LS had a point system defined and in place, and everyone should have known who was going to get what. And if the point system they had was so horrible that the people within the LS hated it, they should have left the LS before they would get "ZOMG shafted by teh horribel point system!" That's why they're stupid.

Oh, but I do agree with one thing someone posted in that thread on BG. Point systems should have handicaps. So yeah if a WHM wanted to outlot a BLM on the Novio earring, he'd have to use 50 more points or something. It's a good way to prevent loot whores from getting stuff for the sake of getting stuff. Kind of like a Dragoon lotting a Joyeuse over Paladins and Red Mages. :(

[Bovein]

You guys ever think that the SAM wants the Haste? lol

Its basically a free Speed Belt and then some, every melee would want that and NIN's are lucky that the belt is perfect for them or else I'd pull a Roku and lot it too >:O

[Tyler]

thats just cuz you;re a greedy cow

[Lefiel]

obviously a 'point system' isnt for me. prolly woulda handed in my resignation to the sam ls ldr(who is the same sam that got the ninurta sash 'magine that), said 'f u all' and left. personally stuff that like should have lotting rules regardless of how many points you have. if your a thf you shouldnt get a.body just cuz you got the points and the means to uncurse it. thats not even a good example. how bout this:
lets say you got 2 ppl. one has been in the ls for a year. another has been in the ls for 6 months. both are the same job. person A(the guy with 1 yr under his belt) has 1,000 points. person B(the guy with 6 months) has 500 points. now lets say person B has been a job his intire ff career(which is more than 6 months obviously). person A doesnt even have this job lvl 75. now an uber item from a super tough boss drops. person A gets this uber item cuz it costs 999 points even though he cant use it on the job its meant for. person B is sol even though he has been the job its meant for basically for years.

now is that fair ? thats why sum things shouldnt go to ppl even if they got the points or seniority for it. if you cant even equip the fucking thing on the job its for, its really is un-fucking-fair to the guy thats been lvling the same job for years. maybe after everybody who the item is for, that have been that job for a certain amount of time get it THEN others can get it. if ppl want to do stuff like that i frankly dont care, more power fucking to them.

[Scionith]

There's no perfect system for giving out loot.

The biggest problem with point systems is close to what you described. Some jobs just don't have that much gear, and can amass an ungodly number of points just because none are spent. BLM is a perfect example of this. BLMs get like what? 3-4 HNM drops that are really good for them? A. Hands, Novio Earring, Ix'Aern Cape, Herald's Gaiters. That's all I can think of atm. So yeah, let's say someone is a career BLM, and that they get all sorts of points, but all he's gotten is A. Hands and gets all emo and stops going to events. He then levels MNK to 75 while he's not going to any LS events for like 3 months, and then proceeds to show up and super lot on every bit of gear his MNK can get. Even lotting over all the people who only have MNK. Is this fair? In a point system, it's perfectly fair. Points = effort put into the LS. Item Priority = person with the most points. If the career MNKs had wanted all the items, then they should have done more events than the BLM. Some point systems try to stop this kind of thing by only allowing you to lot on a main job, and setting up handicaps on lotting on items and penalties for swapping main jobs. To make a point system 'work' it needs a billion rules and subrules, and people enforcing them and following them. My biggest complaint with point systems is that it makes the LS seem too formal and people want points for goddamn everything. "You want me to help Joe with his Great Sword WSNM? Give me a few points and I'll think about it" Yes, I've seen people say crap like that.

Now on the other side of the coin is the system where leaders decide who gets what. This kind of system's biggest flaw is corruption and favoritism by far. Since there's no real system for moving people up and down in priorities, if the leaders don't like someone, then they can just constantly move them down in priority if they miss something. And if members try to argue, the leaders can just call them greedy and tell them to stop complaining. There's LSs that keep priority lists completely secret from the members to keep them 'motivated' so that they always come to everything in hopes of being able to lot on things. That's just some of the corruption issues though. There's also other fundamental problems with some of these systems. Let's say PLD A has been with the LS for 1 year, and PLD B has been with the LS for 9 months. PLD A is going to be higher than PLD B on the priority lists for everything because of seniority. But the LS has had crappy luck, and PLD B hasn't gotten anything. PLD A has gotten full Koenig gear, and PLD B had to pass on every drop. Then in another miracle, the LS gets a defending ring. PLD A was there before B, so he's higher in the priority list, so it's his. So even though A has been with the LS for just a few months longer than B, and A got full Koenig and B has gotten nothing, A still can get more stuff before B. So yeah, even these kinds of systems need lots of rules, otherwise people can get the shaft if the LS doesn't get a lot of the same items. The system works fine if you kill HNM X 100 times and get every drop possible for everyone before you move onto HNM Z. Then the priority lists were just the order in which people get loot. But if the LS does HNM A-Z randomly, it can shaft people. There's also the matter that if you're at the bottom of priority, why would you bother going to anything? Sure you can hope to try to pass someone up and get your uber silk hankerchief before the 2nd to last person. Or you can do almost nothing, and wait until its yours by default.

There's also the systems where drops go to 'whomever makes the LS more powerful'. This thought can be part of the other two systems, but it can be taken to an ultra extreme. Basically something like a Ninja who just joined the LS could get Byakko's Haidate before a Monk who's been with the LS for a year kind of a thing. This is probably the worst kind of system, and is usually set up by leaders who want a bunch of items and then will disband the LS. They'll just make sure whatever job they are, the items they want are /critical/ to the job and the LS.

Meh. No system works perfectly. Just get a bunch of cool people together, set up some basic ground rules, and follow them. And make people declare what they're gonna be lotting on beforehand so you can stop any drama before it happens. So you don't get some asshat disbanding the alliance when someone outlots him on an E. Body. :rolleyes:

[Lefiel]

well id argue that blm actually get 5 things worthwhile from hnm that benefit the job, a.hands, novio, merciful cape, aureole, and nashira crackows. a case could be made its really 6 if you include nashira turban but that can be replaced or at least made unnecessary by sorcerer petasos but thats up for debate. nashira arent technically hnms drops in the traditional sense in that you camp them but, you DO have to collect pop items to fight the monster that ultimately drops the item you turn in to get these items, much like jol and av. this is nowhere near the amount of items that say, brd or mnk could wear. hell drg can wear more things from hnm than blm.

[roku]

there is one flawless point system! http://www.burningcosmossss.com/showthread.php?t=604&highlight=rule
its flawless! drop the behehides cus no one can use them!

[Izzy]

There's no perfect system for giving out loot.

ours is perfect, worked for like a year or more and like only one item drama problem ever and that was solved easy.

[roku]

i get filled with a rage that can destroy stars every time multi job people get loot! destroy stars i say!

[Twizz]

ours is perfect, worked for like a year or more and like only one item drama problem ever and that was solved easy.

Not really. I was pushed back on ridill list to tier 2 even though I never gotten anything from him, or from LS for long time! OMG drama!!


(JK) <--
BTW I dont care, so dont PM me lol

[Fatman]

You guys can all go to hell i called DIBS on rod fair and square

[Twizz]

Dibs on jins Verginity! :erm:

EDIT: VirginitY? Dunno Dibs on that to

[Lefiel]

your a bit too late juma, naruto stole that long ago. you know what, ill agree with izzy. our system, whether its perfect or not, is as close to perfect as probably possible in a game like this.

[Zumi]

Some new AV drama from Midgardsormr. AV spawned on midgardsormr was being killed by 2 LS, R0 and Valor was dying fast with 'Wall of Justice' they got it down to 8% like always AV wasn't putting up much of a fight at all once it was at the wall, but someone in Paradise Oblivion, another ls, called a GM, and they jailed all the blms that were fighting AV. Then AV started to rape everyone that wasn't jailed someone from PO stuns it and calls for help.

[Bartuc]

roooooooooooooooooooofl hahahahahah

good work, S/E, good work

[thelegendarycravy]

gludd was at fan festival, i dont know why everyone thought he was fired. his i.d. tag said [GM] Gludd and i wanted to punch him in the face cause he is only GM to ever suspend me for 72 hours. i told him to suck my cock in jail^o^

[Lefiel]

guess the "wall of justice" wasnt the way s/e wanted folk to handle AV.